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  • #73661
    Car Adaptions

    Hi, I’m after some help/advice (again!). I have recently taken posession of my new powered wheelchair (125kg). I am keen to stay as independant as I possibly can for as long as I can, however, I am finding this quite difficult. My problem is trying to find a suitable car that I can get my chair into so I can continue working and getting out and about.

    I have discovered that there is little advice out there and it is very much a case of ‘go find out for yourself’, which is fine but I seem to keep hitting brick walls! I need a car that, ideally, I can get the powered chair into myself without assisstance so I looked at hoists, unfortunately all the boot hoists seem to require me to bend down to hook the hoist to the chair, unfortunately my balance is poor and I cannot do this. I then looked at ramps so that I could drive the chair into the car and then transfer to the drivers seat, the car needs to be an automatic (can no longer drive a manual comfortably) and the ramp needs to be electric so that I can wheel my chair in and then get the ramp into the car (as I wouldn’t be able to lift a ramp by myself).

    I can’t seem to find a car that meets my requirements but can’t belive that one doesn’t exist as I can’t be the only person that has these requirements. I don’t really want a ‘drive from’ option as I want to try and remain out of my chair as much as I possibly can until the time comes when this won’t be an option.

    Has anyone got any suggestions or options. I would be really grateful as it took me a while to get my head around needing the chair and now I have I’m keen to get out there and use it but at the moment it (and me) are stuck in the house until I can find a soultion.

    I’m really grateful for any suggestions…..

    Thanks

    Paula

    Armadillo
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    #80159
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Hi Paula,

    I myself am not in your situ but I know of at least three or four people on here who will be willing to offer advice and more importantly the things to avoid and questions to ask. Keep checking back

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    AM
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    #80160
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Hi Paula

    I know of a few car companies that do adapted vehicles although not quite what you want it may be worth ringing them to see if they can help or tell you were to go.

    Lewis Reed Group
    Allied Mobility
    Brotherwood
    Automotive Group

    Vicki
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    #80161
    Re: Car Adaptions

    owww my kind of question. :lol: be prepared for one of m big long answers :lol:

    I am on my second car with hoist adaptation. (I use a smallish boot scooter) My last car was a Ford Focus Estate with a Elap 2 way basic foldable hoist. good enough wee hoist and good rear window drivers vision as it folds below window height but I found by the end of my 3 year contract that I couldn’t lift and flip the hoist up to lock it in place to lift out scooter. I also lost the ability to unclip the hoist from scooter hitching probably both the age of the hoist and my poorer grip. With this type of 2 way hoist it only lifts up/down and it requires you to push/pull scooter or chair in/out of boot. I was ok at beginning of contract but found it really hard by the end and impossible on windy days. another neg of this hoist is that you have to remove the seat to use hoist another big problem for me. The ford Estate itself I found to be a fab car to transport my scooter as it didn’t have big moulding sticky out bits in the boot (I miss my ford Estate) :? fab to drive but being lower it was hard for my to get out of by the end of the 3 yrs.

    My present Car is a MAzda 5. Nice car to drive and really useful rear sliding doors. (top model comes with electric rear sliding doors 8-) Only thing about the MAzda 5 is that it isn’t as wide as your average car and the rear middle seat only fits a very skinny person. In the MAzda 5 I have as adaptations an electric Tail gate opener. (Press a button and boot opens) no more asking strangers to shut/open my boot :D Being short and having poor arm muscles I opted for a electric Hand brake(parking brake) button, the adaptations company basically takes the handbrake out and put a switch on instead. But watch out some cars come with this as an option and it is cheaper to get it as car build option than an adaptation. You can also get another much cheaper adaption, its a metal lever that fits over the hand brake to transfer the power need to press the button and release handbrake but I still had bother using this.
    My hoist in this car is a brigade 4 way hoist, much better as it lifts up/down and in/out. this type of 4 way hoist takes up more room in the boot than the 2 way. the tail gate hatch opener also needs room a draw back in the mazda 5 as its not as wide as the the Ford Estate or Grand Cmax, Citreon Picasso etc.

    require me to bend down to hook the hoist to

    My next car is a Ford Grand cmax with electric tail as standard. I didn’t now about it at the time I ordered my last hoist but the hoist clips can be changed to seat belt like clips, although you still have to bend a little.

    I have also ordered hand controls for the first time.

    Cat
    ps if getting a hoist make sure you ask for a remote with a cable.

    """""""What doesn't kill you makes you stronger""""""

    Cat (Mod) Cat (Mod)
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    #80162
    Re: Car Adaptions

    The Independant living and Naidex shows are also good to go to and look at cars with adaptations. and you can sometimes test drive the drive from wheelchair conversions.

    Just missed the April Birmingham Naidex but the glasgow one is in October and London in September.

    There is more Auto wavs this time than what they had out the last time I car shopped. the Kangoo comes with Auto gear box and Ive seen one with a rear electric ramp. The new Fiat Qubo looks nice as well

    can t see a date for the Independant living show but they seem to have a virtual show on their main web pages.
    the caddy converted by sirus looks good. in this version you can go in via a rear ramp and then transfer to the drivers seat from inside the car. personally this would be a better option for me as my feet and ankles dont like doing ramps. also seen a caddy with side ramp.

    http://www.independentliving.co.uk/exhibition/sirus.htm

    another option is a rear lift but this is getting more expensive again and I would imagine you would need a much bigger car only seen the joey lift once and it was in either the kia sharon or sedona.

    I got a really good demo on hand controls from techmobility but motability opted to go to a different company. techmobility was the only company I could find that had a auto demo car to try handcontrols in. and only one of 2 companies that I could get to come at all. I think I would have been happy with the work had they got the job. they also have a good video of a woman who uses a wheelchair doing a demo of handcontrols on their web pages.

    """""""What doesn't kill you makes you stronger""""""

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    #80163
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Another show is the Mobility Roadshow its at Peterborough on 30th June, 1 & 2 July

    Mobility Roadshow

    Vicki
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    #80164
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Posted a reply in the “Ask the Team” forum before I noticed it in here as well. ;)
    viewtopic.php?f=20&p=4131#p4131

    petered
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    #80165
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Hi All

    Just wanted to say a huge thank you for your posts and advice, especially Cat. Your advice was really useful, I have now contacted Brig-Ayd and they will hopefully be coming out to give me a demo so I can be 100% I can manage the hoist clips. I am also in the process of test driving a Citreon C4 and the Ford CMax Grand.

    Just one more question… Do I get the car first and the adaption afterwards or get both sorted out simultaneously?

    Fingers crossed I will be able to take my wheelchair out and about in a couple of months!

    Armadillo
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    #80166
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Just one more question… Do I get the car first and the adaption afterwards or get both sorted out simultaneously?

    Well… If its a Motability car and you are getting a grant from them you have to order the hoist via the car dealer once you’ve decided on what make and model for both. The car dealer then deals with the hoist company direct to arrange fitting. It can of course be added or changed later in the car contract but you would have to get permission I don’t know if you get help paying for adaptations once the 3 year contract is started. If your asking for a motablity grant put your request in ASAP as they get busy times.

    Make sure the hoist guy knows what chair (size and weight) you have and what cars you are looking at. and if you can, try your chair in the boot. not all sales guys are keen on this. grab an able family member and try it when the sales teams not looking. ;) so you have an idea where things will sit.

    If your buying the car yourself or getting a preloved car then the hoist can be fitted whenever you decide. But personally if it’s a new car, I would ideally want to order both together so that you can be sure that the car you want will have enough room for your hoist and chair.

    C4 and Ford Grand Cmax both good size. I have ordered the Grand Cmax(the sliding doors, heated windscreen and electric tailgate swung it for me) but you could get a electric tailgate added to the C4 as an adaptation. The Citroen C4 was really good value for money regards the up front deposit on the motabilty scheme and is a really good size.

    I ordered my Grand Cmax in March and I should have been about ready to collect but it has been delayed due to the Japan thing. now been given a build date of August:?

    Hoist fittings….. Ask the guy what other clips they have. I have seen a hoist with a seat belt type clip. So you just need to clunk it in, rather that fight with a metal clasp. I would strongly recommend a 4 way hoist over the 2 way hoist, having used both the 4 way is much better. I couldn’t use the 2 way by the end of my last contract.

    :D :geek: cat :ugeek: :D

    another big long story from the Cat. ;) just as well theres not a word limit :lol:

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    #80167
    Re: Car Adaptions -Grand Ford CMax

    Hi Guys
    Read your posts with interest. I am just about to order a Grand Ford CMax. Only yesterday, I was told that I would need to have an electric wheelchair weighing around 85-100kg- unfortunately I am now worried that by the time a hoist is fitted, there won’t be any room for the wheelchair to be lifted into the car. Does anyone know of anyone who has a Grand Ford C Max and is able to use a hoist to lift an electric wheelchair into it. I know this post is a bit vague on the details of the wheelchair but I have no other information and I need to urgently go ahead and order a car.
    Many thanks.

    jumay
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    #80168
    Re: Car Adaptions -Grand Ford CMax

    @jumay wrote:

    Hi Guys
    Read your posts with interest. I am just about to order a Grand Ford CMax. Only yesterday, I was told that I would need to have an electric wheelchair weighing around 85-100kg- unfortunately I am now worried that by the time a hoist is fitted, there won’t be any room for the wheelchair to be lifted into the car. Does anyone know of anyone who has a Grand Ford C Max and is able to use a hoist to lift an electric wheelchair into it. I know this post is a bit vague on the details of the wheelchair but I have no other information and I need to urgently go ahead and order a car.
    Many thanks.

    hi, I have a Grand CMax with hoist. Fitted by a company called PL Mobility, think the hoist itself is an Autochair hoist. At the Minute my hoist lifts a power scooter (go go elite) with abit of wiggling my mum can also squish in my manual chair if we need the back seats. the hoist can be lowered a bit to allow visibility of the rear window and to allow boot to shut. the hoist fits snuggly to the right hand side of the boot.
    TheFord grand cmax comes with fold down seats in the boot. mine had to be removed and a reinforced floor put in boot. The middle row back seats slide forward to make boot bigger. Still room for storage behind hoist that I can reach from behind the rear passenger seat.

    The ford has a good height roof in the boot, visibility will really depend on how much your chair back folds. I can fold the back rest of scooter down once hoist is finished lifting in. My indoor chair also fits (micro mambo) in boot in one piece ( I am saving up to buy a second lifting bracket for this chair)

    I love my Grand Cmax my most accessible car so far. Mine has the Automatic closing tail gate and electric rise in driver seat.
    I got my first push pull hand control in this car.

    I will try and post a picture of the boot.

    take care
    Cat

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    #80169
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Hi
    Thanks so much for you really helpful reply. I was looking at scooters, but it’s been taken out of my hands as I’m being provided with an electic power chair. By the time I’ve paid for adaptions, hoist and car payment, there is no opportunity to be fussy at this stage.
    Thanks again

    jumay
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    #80170
    Re: Car Adaptions

    There is an organisation for disabled motorists [DISABLED MOTORING UK] which you can join for £20 a year and they send you a monthly magazine which has nformation about vehicles, benefits, access and equipment. You can also email the people who run the organisation for help on various motoring related issues [as I have done] and they are helpful. Here’s the link:

    http://www.disabledmotoring.org/membership/membership

    Sybylla 8-)

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    #80171
    Re: Car Adaptions

    I think you will have to get some really good van. A car is actually not an option when it comes to a situation like this. if you can get a sliding door van, then what you tell might just be possible. And try contacting dilip chabri’s auto team. They can get all the requirements you need fitted into the car.

    corbingravely
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    #80172
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Hello, take a look at http://www.wheelchairadaptedvehicles.co.uk/ for adapted cars.

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    #80173
    Re: Car Adaptions

    Great advice! I am in need of these type of cars now, unfortunately.
    I cant believe that I’ve not read this post before?!

    Shellybear
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    #80174
    Re: Car Adaptions

    :)

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