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    ESA Debate

    What difference would it make to you if you lost £30 a week from your Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)?

    The government is proposing a cut of £30 a week for NEW claimants who are placed in the ESA Work-Related Activities Group (WRAG) from April 2017. (This will NOT affect those of you who are already in the group.)

    There will be a debate in the House of Lords this Wednesday on these possible reforms. Please share your thoughts and experiences with us here- they can help shape the debate.

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    Alexa Follen
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    #120934
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    If you are someone who receives the contribution based ESA, one heck of a blooming lot! More so if that is the only benefit you receive (like me, and I am not including DLA/PIP in this). So like me, you worked full time, were savvy with savings and future planning, when you are forced to stop work you are financially penalised for your endeavours.

    For those receiving ESA based on income, not a lot, because there is a threshold set for minimum living income, it’s just semantics as to which bit puts in his much which is then topped up to reach the minimum.

    Essentially, those sick or disabled are permanently placed into poverty life style, with the expense of assistance, adaptions, gadgets, care costs etc.

    I'm always the animal, my body's the cage

    I blog about nothingness www.amgroves.com

    AM
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    #120939
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    This is very worrying to disabled people.

    We do not believe the, “for new claimants only”. Very shortly after they
    will find an excuse why we all have to apply again as “new claimants”.

    Most of all is the point that AMG has raised. Those on contribution based
    ESA by definition do not get the whole range of means tested benefits. They are already
    weeks of by comparison. The time limiting of contribution based ESA was a complete
    disgrace penalising people for behaving responsibly. Five years down the line
    countless thousands of disabled people who can never work find themselves
    in the WRAG financially match worse off than other people with the
    same durability.

    Try asking them if Tax Exiles or politicians could survive a thirty
    pound a week pay cut!

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #120940
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    While we are talking about ESA, could they explain why
    people with incurable, progressive diseases such as MD
    are subject to constant reassessment?
    Is that not a waste of taxpayers money?

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #120956
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    I agree with you, Mr Fox. It is such a time consuming process for everyone concerned.

    sybyllascarlett
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    #120969
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    While we are talking about ESA, could they explain why people with incurable, progressive diseases such as MD are subject to constant reassessment?
    Is that not a waste of taxpayers money?

    The problem is at what point does every condition reach that stage, how can a criteria be written that covers all conditions and all ways of deterioration for all scenarios. A person could have a very debilitating condition that lasts years, which becomes treatable to the point of improving their independence to seek active employment. The historical trap that many fell into was that they were not checked up, just ignored and left to receive their state funds without any accountability [some even returning to work]. For decades one benefit gave indefinite awards to everyone as the costs involved in reassessing and reviewing far out weighed the money saved [and in my opinion it will head that way again].

    Medical science, medicine and conditions have exploded over the last two or three decades. Once upon a time a diagnosis of something was a life-shortening situation, but now it is not. It has all gotten too big, too complicated and too complex to simplify into a one-size-does-everything form or tick box script assessment.

    The proposal to cut ESA by £30 a week to those placed in WRAG is deplorable because it intentionally penalises those who were not prepared to end up needing help. For Example, Joe Bloggs is a hard worker, doing his 40 hours a week job, earning a slightly above minimum living wage job, living in a part mortgage house, he is money sensible, he saves regularly and is trotting along quite nicely – one day walking to work he has a stoke, severely restricting his ability to look after himself, provide for his family, continue working. Sensible Mr Joe Bloggs now is forced to live for a length of time dictated by the State on his savings, all because his age and life long sensibleness meant he had amassed a lump of savings. Compare that to Mr Fred Doe who spends every penny as soon as it is in his pocket, lives in rented house, never thinking of tomorrow until it is yesterday – he has a stroke, and probably receives more in benefits [and all its delicious add-ons when it is income-based defined] than Joe.

    Both are in similar situations but their behaviour and lifestyle will dictate how they are helped. If the powers that decide state “Okay, we will remove the £30 if the person is contribution based ESA and has over £20,000 in savings”, hmm, well that might be better except you have now doubled your admin costs because of the extra work and checks needed to establish savings and check again and again to see where it is in regard to the threshold, whether savings have been spent to get more benefits quicker, and that threshold needs reviewing according to cost of living etc.

    See what I mean about complicated.

    Essentially, it is cost cutting, how can pennies be saved but we make it look like we are targeting fraudsters and money grabber.

    I'm always the animal, my body's the cage

    I blog about nothingness www.amgroves.com

    AM
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    #120976
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    Well put :Post:

    A learning experience is one of those things that say, “You know that thing you just did? Don’t do that.” - Douglas Adams

    sar78 sar78
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    #121109
    Reply To: ESA Debate

    Very well put!

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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