No More Cuts……..Except For You Crips….

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  • #74324
    No More Cuts……..Except For You Crips….

    Mr Osborne has just spent the last hour boasting about how well his series
    of of Draconian cuts in the last two years have helped the economy.

    He says all is going very well and there does not need to be any extra measures.

    Then in the very next sentence he said he thought Welfare payments were taking
    up too large a percentage of the Government spending. He says he will need
    to take an extra ten thousand million pounds of cuts from Welfare. We will
    have our very own special spending review.

    So if you thought you were having a tough time, you aint seen nothing yet!

    Only the worst kind of bully kicks the most vulnerable when they are already on the ground.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

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    #84995
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    I am trying my very best to avoid the budget, it will raise my blood pressure, stress levels and sense of impending dom.

    wossit was wrong – you cannot escape death or taxes …. or the budget.

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    #84996
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    He did though manage to find enough extra cash to give a massive pay rise
    to all his chums.

    This presumably is the thirty pieces of silver for all the well off LD’s who
    against their conscience let the Tories push through the biggest cuts in
    Welfare spending in sixty years.

    The nice talking head expert on the News Channel cheerfully told us this should
    average out at a rise of about £ 769 a week to the hard pressed rich folk and only
    one in a hundred of these would actually pay any extra under the other measures#that Mr Osborne
    announced today.

    I am glad we are all in this together.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #84997
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    i totally agree with osbourne that we need to make cuts in welfare . How many people are out ther claiming benefits , especially disability benefits when they shouldnt be ? there should be more rigorous checks on everyone (including us ) to wrangle out the fraudsters ..we all know of people that are claiming that shouldnt be , and i for 1 have been tempted to snitch on these people but i know i couldnt live with the guilt and if they were to find out . I do not think people like us will lose out as we are entitled to these benefits as our claims are genuine , but it might deter people with bad backs or depression putting in a claim !!

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    #84998
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    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    …….? there should be more rigorous checks on everyone (including us ) to wrangle out the fraudsters ..!

    I think Mr Osborne has made your wish come true.

    In the CSR in October 2010 be announced that every single disabled person would be re-assessed using a
    much tougher WCA test. Government figures show that in the first year over 500,000 people were
    re-assessed and 93 to 94 percent had their incapacity benefit completely removed. We all know
    many people falsely declared “Fit For Work” who have not a hope of getting a job. Just because they can lift
    a carton of milk once, take a pen out of their pocket or press a button on this new test their doctors
    and consultants are over-ruled.

    Mr O. also abolished the I.L.F. completely (which makes me incredibly angry and incredibly upset) and
    cut the DLA budget by 20 percent and everyone on DLA will also be re-assessed from next year.

    Most people on this forum think this is too high a price to pay to snare the few benefit scrounger
    cases that are endlessly recycled by the Daily Mail and the BBC. Even Mr Cameron and the DWP admit
    benefit fraud is only 0.5 percent (1.5 Billion), not the 93 percent that have lost their benefit. Independent experts
    put income tax avoidance and evasion at £ 130 billion nearly a hundred times as much. This
    is done out of pure greed and many people feel this is where any budget deficit should be raised rather
    than from the sick and vulnerable in our society.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

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    #84999
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    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    … it might deter people with bad backs or depression putting in a claim !!

    Depression, as people who have ever had the misfortune to suffer from it, or to have a family member suffer from it, will know, is a serious and potentially totally disabling disease. Deterring people with depression from making justifiable claims for assistance would be typical of this heartless rich man’s government.

    And don’t count your chickens by assuming you are a “genuine case”. However disabled we may be, once they’ve got the public acceptance that benefits mainly go to “scroungers”, they’ll be cutting even harder, and we’re all likely to be affected. Meanwhile they’ll be spending vast amounts of public money on unnecessary testing.

    Divide and rule works well for the Tories, and always has done.

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    #85000
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    trust me i know how disableing depression is …my husband and sister suffer from this , but as they would tell you the best place to be when it hits is around other people , whether that is in a work environment or not ! as for the tory government , does it matter whether its them or labour or the green party , they will try to cut money back from where ever they can . I just dont agree with scareing people into thinking their benefits are going to be cut when you have no proof this is going to happen ! everyone on here is at different progression with md and probably on different benefits …my husband receives carers allowance as he is my main carer and i get full rate DLA and i have no doubt when this changes over to PIP it will change . I know alot of people on here get incapacity benefit ..i cant speak for that as have worked up to a couploe of years ago and have never received this but i am absolutely sure if people are entitled to this then that will carry on .

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    #85001
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    i would just like to add that my step daughter suffers from severe depression also and has tried to commit suicide 3 times and is now on the road x fingers to getting better …not recovering as you dont ever recover from depression . It has only been the help of professionals and being around her friends ,being at work , and people that understand this condition that she is finally getting there …
    i would also like to add that the 3 people in my life suffering from this ‘ disease’ ..have never claimed disability benefits but we know people that have and didnt want to seek any other help out there for themselves to get well !

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    #85002
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    I think there has been discussion before that the perception of conditions can be extremely altered by the media and celebs. It became almost a celeb fashion statement to have some kind of mental illness [bi-polar or depression] that seemed to disappear the moment they latched onto the next PR band wagon.

    I feel for those with genuine mental health issues beause they are not obvious like a majority of physical conditions, it is easier for a blind man to see how someone in a wheelchair cannot walk than see a fresh faced, sometimes smiling, beautiful person battle every day with depression.

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    #85003
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    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    i totally agree with osbourne that we need to make cuts in welfare.

    Why would anyone agree with a man like George Osbourne on this issue? The evidence shows that benefits often fail to reach those whom they are supposed to help with billions being handed back to the Treasury each year in the form of an underspent budget.

    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    How many people are out ther claiming benefits , especially disability benefits when they shouldnt be ?

    Why not try asking how many people are out there not receiving the benefits that they are entitled to?

    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    there should be more rigorous checks on everyone (including us ) to wrangle out the fraudsters ..we all know of people that are claiming that shouldnt be , and i for 1 have been tempted to snitch on these people but i know i couldnt live with the guilt and if they were to find out . I do not think people like us will lose out as we are entitled to these benefits as our claims are genuine , but it might deter people with bad backs or depression putting in a claim !!

    The Benefits Agency no longer has the staff to carry out such checks; but it used to! Now it is being contracted out to private companies like ATOS who cost more and deliver less. Be careful what you wish for! As for knowing about illegible claimants that is just assumption on your part in respect of everyone else.

    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    … I do not think people like us will lose out as we are entitled to these benefits as our claims are genuine

    Personally I consider that a naive presumption. A few months ago a whistleblower acted on their integrity tand revealed to the press that vulnerable people had had their benefits stopped because they were easy targets allowing staff to achieve quotas set by the government for removing people from the benefit list.

    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    …does it matter whether its them or labour or the green party , they will try to cut money back from where ever they can.

    Actually yes it does. The Green Party has only one member of Parliament and the last time I checked their website they had no policy for welfare reform. Whilst New (sic) Labour and the Conservatives may have drifted so close together so as to be almost inseperable it is somewhat disingenuous of you to tar the Green Party with the same brush when they lack the history and tradition of deceit, failure, hypocrisy and dishonour shared by the three ‘major’ parties.

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    #85004
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    Did someone just agree with Osborne there? I’m shocked to say the least!

    This is the guy who advocates others pay their taxes, whilst he stashes his trust money offshore, tax free!

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    #85005
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    @ranald wrote:

    Did someone just agree with Osborne there? I’m shocked to say the least!

    This is the guy who advocates others pay their taxes, whilst he stashes his trust money offshore, tax free!

    Ah, but ranald, paying taxes is only for common people, not for the rich!
    Just like the cuts.

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    #85006
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    @petered wrote:

    @ranald wrote:

    Did someone just agree with Osborne there? I’m shocked to say the least!
    This is the guy who advocates others pay their taxes, whilst he stashes his trust money offshore, tax free!

    Ah, but ranald, paying taxes is only for common people, not for the rich!
    Just like the cuts.

    Last week we had Mr Osborne explaining passionately why he needed to give
    his rich mates a massive pay rise.

    He told us that this stupid 50p tax was just not raising enough money because the people
    it was aimed at simply altered which tax year they were paid in or changed their status to
    that of a company or trust.

    Here we have it, confirmation that the rich just pay the amount of tax they want.

    Where isthe morality?

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

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    #85007
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    @taungfox wrote:

    Where is the morality?

    Gone the way of common sense, logic, respect, national pride, and empathy

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    #85008
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    i had my re assment for ILF last october and i was aked if i felt i needed more hours …i receive 20hrs a week at the moment but that can be flexible to my needs . I live in one of the worst areas to be affected by these cuts (west sussex) , you only hear about the bad things never the good ! I do not agree with everything Mr Osborne has said , but i feel strongly that the welfare state needs sorting out

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    #85009
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    how many people out there not receiving the benefits that they are entitled too ? this comes down to better information being given by the benefits advisors/GPs and visible assessments / interviews by professionally trained advisors

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    #85010
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    i personally have not heard of anyone i know who is entitled to their benefits being cut , i know that it does happen and i am certainly not ‘ naive ‘to this fact …their are a minority of people out there claiming benefits that shouldnt be and i definately think the government should be doing more to sort this problem

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    #85011
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    Let’s hope you still feel that way about Social Security cuts, if or when you fall victim Rachel. I consider your comments to be naive in the extreme.

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    #85012
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    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    …….i personally have not heard of anyone i know who is entitled to their benefits being cut ,………..

    Thanks for your input Rachel, I am sorry if I appear confrontational in this matter.

    We are simply groups of disabled people trying to coping with difficult situations that seem to
    get worse by the day. I hope that your re-assessment will go well for you.

    You mention the I.L.F. That is the one that upsets me. 15th December 2010 is a date seared into
    my memory. That day five people I know, three on the forum and two here received the same letter
    stating clearly that their I.L.F. payments will STOP in 2015. May I ask if you are aware that your
    ILF stops in spring 2015?

    I cannot describe the amount of upset this has caused. One person wrote, “I am broken, I do not
    know how I will live”.

    Local authorities are already just not able to give people the number of hours they are assessed as
    needing. 2015 will be a demographic and financial timebomb that will explode and leave
    many thousands of disabled people unable to remain in thier homes.

    @rachelmurphy wrote:

    …….i personally have not heard of anyone i know who is entitled to their benefits being cut ,………..

    You might not know people that had their benefits cut, but it is clearly happening, I implore
    you to look further. The DWP’s own statistics for the first year of ESA show that 93 % of the
    500,000 people re-assessed had their benefits cut. Danny Alexander the Coalition’s top
    man at the Treasury told us there would tens of thousands, probably hundreds of
    thousands of people wrongly assessed:-

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7768597/Danny-Alexander-hits-out-at-welfare-reforms.html

    A campaign of press coverage demonising disabled people as “scroungers” is morally wrong. Even
    Mr Cameron has stated in Parliament the benefit fraud is only 0.5 %. Benefit Fraud is 1.5 billion,
    Tax evasion and avoidance is £ 130 billion. Where is the morality?

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

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    #85013
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    i am totally aware of people whos benefits have been cut …i know of 1 man with md in bognor whos hours were cut from 24 hr care down to only 5 hrs a day , which he did take to appeal and won (he should never had had to do this ) ..my husband worked in social care until a couple of years ago and is still in touch with a few of his old clients who have had their day centre closed , due to government funding , which is also wrong … I am not for 1 minute saying that it is right to cut someones benefits if they are rightly entitled ( i dont believe i have said that , but you can quote me if i have ) i am saying that i think it is right to find the people that are wrongly claiming benefits ….why should hard working tax payers pay a high percentage of their tax to these people that could easily go and get a job ? i was one of those tax payers till a couple of years ago and i strongly believe benefits are thre to help people that are not in a position to help themselves , i do not see that as being ‘naive’ …

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