April 28, 2016 at 11:21 am #128179Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Any news Mr Launton? I should think between five to six days after your phone call you will receive a brown envelope with a huge booklet to fill in. I can’t remember how many pages exactly but, I just know it’s a lot. We didn’t attempt to fill it in in one sitting, too many aches & moans. In fact I think it’s impossible for most to fill in in one sitting.
I’ll give you a tip, where it asks for more information, I typed up a separate piece(s) of paper wherever possible, printed them off & included that & pointed them towards it as it’s far easier than both writing & trying to fill in the probable extensive additional information you will need to supply that there just isn’t room for.
This also allows you to automatically keep a copy of what you’ve said, as per AMG’s advice. Whilst we’re on that subject, try to copy everything you write on that form for reference. You’ll need to refer to it if you have to go down the mandatory reconsideration route however if you end up at a tribunal they’ll send you a copy of it again regardless.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former selfApril 29, 2016 at 5:58 pm #128355Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Hello Wonderwoman and all.
I’ve got a text off them saying they were posting the PIP2 form out on Weds 27th, and someone said I get 28 days from the day I phoned them to fill and return the form. Not sure if that’s correct but I’ll see what’s what when it actually arrives.
I’ve got a friend Bev who is coming round to help me fill it in because after one sentence with a pen my hands hurt too much to write with cramp so she’ll do it. I understand the PIP2 form is specifically yours with your name on now, so filling it in online (like the ESA50) is impossible? I kept all my ESA50 information, support docs from specialists and consultants and ex employers to refer to, and Emilie at MD.org has sent me a draft of the support letter that’s pretty amazing. It seems a lot of the descriptors for ESA are similar to PIP so I should in theory be able to copy info from that and use it hopefully. I think I might be OK with the filling in but may ask here if I get stuck.
I do remember that it asks if you can walk 20 metres. On my ESA50 I said ‘Yes I could with a walking stick and accompanied but couldn’t walk the 20 back or repeat the exercise safely’ I’m still unsure if I should stick to that or just say no really. It’s the truth.
I also have a printout of some help files from the benefitsandwork site that I need to read.
Previously I did put * or ** and *** in the descriptors to refer to the more information sections, especially for health professionals. I hear the reply boxes are even smaller now.
I’ll also keep hard-copies of everything too, I’ve heard stories of the returned forms conveniently going missing and I sent my ESA50 next day signed for special delivery.
JohnApril 30, 2016 at 8:59 pm #128370Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Mental health is the easiest condition to get help for.
Rather than diagnose you with anything they will push you
down that road.
I had depression;so they say; with painful feet, backache and tummy pain then I caught Lyme Disease about 10years ago I was treated for Lyme Disease for about 3 years with antibiotics.
Then A & E sent me to a psychiatric hospital they told me I was delusional schizophrenic. When I arrived by ambulance with
a high temperature and blood pressure.
I was put on section 3 for 3 months.
For the second time.
The psychiatrist told my family I was mentally ill.
They left me to it. They said social services will look after me.
No doctor within the NHS knew what they were dealing with
I had to go privately.
Then I had to tell them what I got.
I have Charot Marie Tooth but they didn’t seem to understand
a Doctor in the DH about 10 years ago said I should be on perminate disability because he thought I had pituitary problems. But the DH disagreed.
I left work with very bad back and foot pain when I was
28 I am now 60 widowed. I was told I was mad.
DF118 pain killers didn’t help.
You have to know more than they do.
Solicitors doctors HELPCarolrParticipantPosts: 0Joined: 30/04/2016May 3, 2016 at 11:27 am #128443Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Yes Carolr depression doesn’t exist as far as they’re concerned you just need ‘to pull yourself together and get on with it’ etc
Your journey sounds hard and uphill, how did it all turn out?
For me, I’ve now for till the 26th May to return the form, however I will be sending it at least 8 days early and by special delivery signed and have a complete backup of all documentsMay 26, 2016 at 11:18 am #132623Reply To: PIP here we come :(
We’ve endured this. They are trained to engage in conversation whilst all the while they observe you.
They will notice & make note of, and you will find this out for yourself should you see their report if you’re forced to appeal, the way you are dressed, if you appear clean, well groomed, any noticeable odour due to poor hygiene, the size of your tea/coffee cup if there’s one in front of you, the way you walk/move from the moment you open the front door & invite them into your home, the way you sit, whether you slouch or not, whether you look at them in the eye when you talk & give your answers – you know, all the traditional questions that are relevant to your physical disability & the way it affects you!
If I knew then what I know now I would’ve not had my family round to assist us in tidying the place to make it look presentable, scrubbing the bathroom to show them how it’s been adapted or got up at 06.30am to make sure my wife & I were both showered clean & presentable for a visiting guest with me mum running out the door five minutes before the woman turned up. And I would’ve thrown some gravy & runny eggs down me shirt the day before & worn it on that morning… probably with a chip sticking out me nose .
I have just a little simmering contempt for these people & the process, does it show ?
Just be prepared for a snake in the grass basically. Beware of the devil that will visit you smiling & offering a hand of friendship.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former selfMay 26, 2016 at 11:56 am #132624Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Wonder Woman, do not aplogise for your simmering contempt. those of us who have had anyd ealings with authitities of whatever origin know how you feel. From SS to PIP we are a burden which they do not want and will encourage to disappera as soon as they can. One question I would like to ask tehse “assessors” is what qualifications they ahve to make an assessment about our, or indeed any , condition? My udnerstadnign is that they are getting all sorts of folk in from paramedics to nurses. I dare say none will have ever come across our condition and how it affec ts us. neither do they take in to account is our own bloody mindedness to help our selves and to try and do as much as possible for ourselvves. That, it seems, is simple encouragement to say we do not need help, rather than recognising the huge effort it often takes for us to do something simple, that others take for granted.
Good lucj launton though and try and be as canny as them. there is a lot of good advice on here as to how to deal with these people, whose only real task is to get you off benefit.
So many love songs, so little love.embayweatherModeratorPosts: 8Joined: 02/11/2015May 26, 2016 at 12:23 pm #132625Reply To: PIP here we come :(
I’ve received an automatic home visit from ATOS should I be worried? or is that good?
its good if your local assessment center is too far away. a downside from attending a center is they are viewing you. how you move from the minute to step in the door. ie where you able to open heavy door, how well did you sit and stand from waiting room seating. did you bend to lift your bag the walk to the interview room.. shaking hands. they will then compare you sit/standing from seat in interview room and compare that to what they seen you do in reception room..
in your house you can be little more in control. if you use a powerchair stay in it.. have front door ajar and invite them to open it themselves.(if you dont have intercom) if you dont use a powerchair once you are sitting on sofa dont get up again once interview is finished, explain you are very tired and ask them to let themselves out. have items you normally use near ie phones, tissues, pills, remotes, alert buzzer, vents and nebs. alot of the information they gather is not verbal. leave any aids you use visible. I too have the urge to have house tidy so they dont look down there nose at me but anything you normally use needs to stay out. same in bathroom should they ask to use it. leave mats or any special helper items in view.
it goes against my hospitality but unless you have an able bodied helper supporting you that day. dont offer tea if you have put on form if you struggle to make tea.
Dressing.. I will never front up to an interrogation form any department unkempt or dirty but having said that I am not averse to wearing a skirt to display a pair of extremely wasted leg musles or no socks to show off a pair or purple nearly black feet. its amazing how much of the interview time can be used up with the shock they have on the black feet.
and dont shake hands. unless your like me. if I shake hands my thumbs dislocate and tendon on middle finger slips off with lightest pressure. it can be fun watching them go green when thy break me. lol
"""""""What doesn't kill you makes you stronger""""""CatModeratorPosts: 1,002Joined: 20/09/2010May 26, 2016 at 4:31 pm #132640Reply To: PIP here we come :(
I’ll keep it all in mind thank you. Most of the things are like as you’re saying, although I have no power chair I have my remotes and stuff I need on a tray so I can drag it over to me if I need something. There’s canes placed in each room so I can use them etc. If someone shakes my hand I can fall forward easily and god help them if they hug me I fall forwards and can’t pull myself back up, usually crushing them in the process. Well I said not to! My neighbour does pretty much everything for me really as we’ve known each other for 20 plus years. Just go through the motions and see what’s what.May 26, 2016 at 4:51 pm #132648Reply To: PIP here we come :(
Hope it all goes ok. Thank you for relaying this all to us. It is very useful to follow your progress, I think it will help many of us who are yet to go through this process.
A learning experience is one of those things that say, “You know that thing you just did? Don’t do that.” - Douglas Adamssar78ModeratorPosts: 2,246Joined: 05/03/2015May 27, 2016 at 11:32 am #132673Reply To: PIP here we come :(
I would absolutely urge you to do that. However, a third parties testimony may not be accepted by the DWP or a tribunal. I would still encourage you to ask someone though because, you never know, it may encourage them not to fabricate your abilities. I can’t use a far & reaching brush to tar all of these people doing this job. Some must be human & you may get an honest one & having someone there may prick their conscience.
Having said that, it didn’t stop the ex-paramedic we saw who was aware obviously that both my wife & I were in the living room writing a statement claiming that we can walk more than 20 metres & safely. Neither statement is factual & they have no evidence to support it. The assessor guessed at it & the DWP decision maker concurred.
I object to traipsing all over the country for these unjust assessments when we all have far superior informed & qualified specialists. However, if you attend their offices they supposedly have recording equipment or should have. No room for manouvere then.
And don’t be scared to share. I thought about that too but, it’s not scaremongering. These people genuinely have an agenda otherwise they don’t get paid & get their little bonuses & we all have to prepare each other.
Knowledge is king.
Again, I wish you all the very best mate.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former selfMay 27, 2016 at 11:37 am #132676Reply To: PIP here we come :(
I intend to have my carer, dragon, wife with me when my turn comes. no choice really. But your info so far has been amazingly helpful in my udnerstanding of teh rpocess so pelase do continue to relate the tale. If others could do teh same it would give a brilliant insight into the workings of this , erm, organisation.
So many love songs, so little love.embayweatherModeratorPosts: 8Joined: 02/11/2015May 27, 2016 at 6:42 pm #132693Reply To: PIP here we come :(
OK thanks all I’ll ask Bev my friend to take a day off work and be with me. If she can’t I’ll get my neighbour to do it who does pretty much everything for me anyway. Thing is, there’s walking 20 metres and doing it again, and again THAT’S where the difference lies in our illness, how can you fabricate your DNA and genetic makeup?
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